In this episode of The City of God, Rob Pacienza sits down with Dr. Jon Payne, senior pastor of Christ Church Presbyterian in Charleston, South Carolina. Together, they unpack the theological tensions of Side A and Side B Christianity, explore what’s at stake for the Church, and discuss Dr. Payne’s call to humbly contend for biblical and confessional faithfulness in the PCA. Join us for an insightful conversation on the challenges and opportunities facing modern denominations today.