In this episode of the City of God Podcast, Rob Pacienza and John Rabe talk with Dr. John Currie, Professor of Pastoral Theology at Westminster Theological Seminary. They explore Dr. Currie’s book, The Pastor as Leader, and discuss the challenges pastors face in connecting preaching with leadership. From the dangers of people-pleasing to the necessity of expository preaching, they cover what it means for pastors to lead biblically and faithfully in today’s church context.